Gold mania

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We should have a gold mania thread :)

Here are some questions that point towards reasons why I own some gold in my portfolio.

Why does the US Federal Reserve hold thousands of tons of it?
Why are other central banks loading up on it?
Why is it culturally important in places like the world’s most populated country?
What should happen to the price of it in fiat currencies if the overlords of fiat currencies explicitly seek to (and successfully) inflate their value away year after year?

One thing gold doesn’t do is produce a real return, but then that’s not the case for something like a JGB these days either.

If I owned nothing but stocks in my portfolio, then perhaps I might not see any attraction in gold. In the unlikely event that global central bankers credibly changed tack towards price stability for their fiat currencies, and sought to bring prices down, then maybe gold might lose some relative luster.

One worrying trend recently that you all might have seen is the appearance of several “ゴルカン” funds, a play on the popular “All Country” toshin name, which throw some gold in with exposure to stocks. Bruce Ikemizu had highlighted a leveraged such fund some weeks back and now this week the “ゴルカン” term of a born. This seems more like a business play be the funds providers to me, jumping on the bandwagon.

Next, on owning gold.
- I would like to own some physical gold, but in Japan the 10% consumption tax makes it less attractive, when one could buy it overseas instead. I don’t want to pay expensive premiums on gold either. Safely storing it somewhere is the other thing to deal with. For now, I am restraining myself to stick with paper products.
- gold tsumitate products are interesting for the DCA approach, but the fees are relatively high. I have been using one at a bank for some years
- gold futures trading is one of the few liquid commodities worth trading in Japan, but it’s not so suited to buy and hold. There is a listed spot gold product, but I haven’t used it
- gold toshins are similarly interesting to the tsumitate products, and seemingly lower fees. I am buying the cheapest, best looking fund I could find in my securities account
- US ETFs - GLD was the original famous one, but its fee is high and it’s more suitable for active trading. But the GLDM one has a fee of 0.1%, which makes it suitable for long term buy and hold. (Monex currently has GLDM in its commission free section of ETFs)

Gold is forever!
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Good idea. I haven't taken the plunge yet myself, but have been reading about how central banks around the world have been increasing their gold purchases the last couple of years, in order to diversify away from their reliance on the dollar.

One thing that's been holding me back from buying GLDM for instance is I usually stay away from buying into a boom.
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Still zero interest in gold. Non productive asset with zero yield, and indeed has costs to own it.
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I don't understand why it has any value, so I don't buy it.

Or, actually, I did buy some (in the UK where it is tax free) back in 2011, but sold it again later, just before the prices crashed, luckily.
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adamu wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:07 am I don't understand why it has any value, so I don't buy it.

Or, actually, I did buy some (in the UK where it is tax free) back in 2011, but sold it again later, just before the prices crashed, luckily.
Speaking of non-productive assets.
I also haven’t bought any gold.
I almost did. My wife picked out an engagement ring from a window that was white gold.
Then she said she was allergic to non precious metals(I know.). So it and every single bauble and grill since has been platinum..

If she was allergic to silver that might make a bit more sense…
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Moneymatters wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 5:57 am allergic to non precious metals(I know.).
You can get her some bitcoin for your anniversary, no allergic reactions there.
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I’d say gold has a hell of a lot going for it.

It has varied industrial use, is popular for use in jewelry, and its beauty will always be attractive to people.

And further, most importantly, over the long term it tends to protect you against inflation. Unlike some things…
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It’s been out of the gates like a rocket this year, that’s for sure. Coffee beans have been doing better… I have a couple of GLDM limit orders sitting unfilled, currently, placed a little below the market each day, but no cookie. Since it isn’t laying any dividends anyway I’m kind of happy to wait for the price to (hopefully) come back to me sometime this year.

Sooner or later a pullback will come. It’s been in the news in recent days as it approaches 3,000 USD per ounce, while gold smuggling is covered on the morning tv shows here in Japan where it’s also making all time highs versus Japan’s paper currency also.
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IloveJapan wrote: Mon Feb 10, 2025 3:04 pm It has varied industrial use, is popular for use in jewelry, and its beauty will always be attractive to people.
You may be right. Still doesn't seem worth over ¥14k/gram though. Maybe if you can convert all the gold in the world to jewelry people want, but I suspect most of it is sitting as bricks in vaults.
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A curiosity question: Some gold coins are legitimate legal tender in their respective countries--eg, the canadian maple leaf is $50 canadian. So if you bring such coins into japan, is it the face value of the coin that is important, or its value by weight?
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