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Can I get out of this?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:42 am
by Roger Van Zant
Before I knew anything about this website, NISA, or iDeCo, I signed up for this through my company:

The company which runs the plan:
https://www.benefitdb.jp/img/common/ben ... 201901.pdf

Material I received from my company to get me to sign up:
https://ibb.co/c6m6JcK
https://ibb.co/mGSnr9M

It is utterly crap, only offering 0.5% in interest per year (with the fund managers/my company(?) pocketing the rest).
At the time, I figured 0.5% was better than the 0.001% my bank offers! ;)

According to my company, the only way to get out of continuing to pay in is either by (a) leaving my company, or (b) hitting retirement age. :shock:
Is that really so? I pay in 10,000 yen per month, but could reduce to the minimum of 5000 per month next time the window comes around (twice a year).

I currently also pay into an iDeCo via Monex, but my monthly contribution is capped at a measly 12,000 yen all because I pay into the above crappy DB plan! :oops:
I really want to put this 10,000 yen into my iDeCo; I believe my monthly allowable iDeCo contribution would rise to 23,000 yen per month if I were not paying into the company DB.

Anyone have any insights?

Re: Can I get out of this?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:11 pm
by Haystack
Roger Van Zant wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:42 am Before I knew anything about this website, NISA, or iDeCo, I signed up for this through my company:

The company which runs the plan:
https://www.benefitdb.jp/img/common/ben ... 201901.pdf

Material I received from my company to get me to sign up:
https://ibb.co/c6m6JcK
https://ibb.co/mGSnr9M

It is utterly crap, only offering 0.5% in interest per year (with the fund managers/my company(?) pocketing the rest).
At the time, I figured 0.5% was better than the 0.001% my bank offers! ;)

According to my company, the only way to get out of continuing to pay in is either by (a) leaving my company, or (b) hitting retirement age. :shock:
Is that really so? I pay in 10,000 yen per month, but could reduce to the minimum of 5000 per month next time the window comes around (twice a year).

I currently also pay into an iDeCo via Monex, but my monthly contribution is capped at a measly 12,000 yen all because I pay into the above crappy DB plan! :oops:
I really want to put this 10,000 yen into my iDeCo; I believe my monthly allowable iDeCo contribution would rise to 23,000 yen per month if I were not paying into the company DB.

Anyone have any insights?
Looks like a plan that is mostly based around 10 year JGBs.

As far as mandatory enrollment, that is between you and your employer. What does your employment manual say?

Re: Can I get out of this?

Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 pm
by Tkydon
Consider it as the Bond portion of your portfolio, and invest the iDECO entirely in Equities.

The Good thing is that the DB will be taxed at a very advantageous rate if/when you receive the Payout as a Lump Sum.

Total Lump Sum
Minus Special Allowance for Years of Service (400,000 per year for first 20 years, and 700,000 for years over 20)
Divide by 2 for Taxable Amount

Apply standard Marginal Rates of Income Tax.

So the tax will be very low or zero...

Re: Can I get out of this?

Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:30 am
by Roger Van Zant
Tkydon wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:34 pm Consider it as the Bond portion of your portfolio, and invest the iDECO entirely in Equities.

The Good thing is that the DB will be taxed at a very advantageous rate if/when you receive the Payout as a Lump Sum.

Total Lump Sum
Minus Special Allowance for Years of Service (400,000 per year for first 20 years, and 700,000 for years over 20)
Divide by 2 for Taxable Amount

Apply standard Marginal Rates of Income Tax.

So the tax will be very low or zero...
Ah, I never thought of this approach, and I currently do not invest in any bonds.
Both my iDeCo and tsumitate-NISA are 100% E-Maxis Slim All Country.
Also, good news on the tax rate.
Thanks for your input. :)