Very niche question that I asked at yesterday's online conference - thanks for organising! - but would like to hear more opinions here.
I hold a Japanese permanent residency but will leave Japan in the next few months for work. The employer has no relationship with Japan, and I plan to keep my PR and eventually move back.
I am not sure what my investment options are in this condition as a non-resident. I must close my NISA account, and I can't continue to pay into any other funds with Japanese brokers like Rakuten. Is that correct?
Does anyone have any recommendations on how to use a large sum of yen sitting in the bank (several million yen)?
I am not keen on taking it with me, but of course do not want it sitting in a Japanese savings account and lose value through inflation.
Thanks
Investment option as non-resident
Re: Investment option as non-resident
edit: Removed this answer as it was incorrect. Thanks Moneymatters!
Last edited by adamu on Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:15 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Investment option as non-resident
To the untrained eye (of which I am the poster child ) it appears that.
NISA you'll need to close. Unless your company orders you to work overseas, in which case you might be able to hold the account for up to 5 years. (But not make new investments into it during that time.).
Looks like and Tax holding account also needs to be closed.
https://faq.sbisec.co.jp/answer/5ebe28f ... 00111ebcbe
https://faq.nomura.co.jp/app/answers/de ... B%EF%BC%9F
But it seems you might have some luck moving things into a general account ( 一般口座)
https://yatsuyaku.com/securities_accoun ... residents/
I'm not clear if there are trading limitations whilst abroad and I'd be curious if there was differentiation between Japanese Nationals and PR holders.
There is a 日本人向け comment in that last link..
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@adamu the definition of non-resident is living or planning to live outside for over one year. Or, assigned to work or studying abroad without a defined end date. I don't think holding an address in Japan changes things.
NISA you'll need to close. Unless your company orders you to work overseas, in which case you might be able to hold the account for up to 5 years. (But not make new investments into it during that time.).
Looks like and Tax holding account also needs to be closed.
https://faq.sbisec.co.jp/answer/5ebe28f ... 00111ebcbe
https://faq.nomura.co.jp/app/answers/de ... B%EF%BC%9F
But it seems you might have some luck moving things into a general account ( 一般口座)
https://yatsuyaku.com/securities_accoun ... residents/
I'm not clear if there are trading limitations whilst abroad and I'd be curious if there was differentiation between Japanese Nationals and PR holders.
There is a 日本人向け comment in that last link..
Failing that, buy gold and wear it like Mr T.
"I pity the fool!"
@adamu the definition of non-resident is living or planning to live outside for over one year. Or, assigned to work or studying abroad without a defined end date. I don't think holding an address in Japan changes things.
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Re: Investment option as non-resident
In addition to what others have said, why not consider...
1. Only using tax-advantaged accounts with a Japanese broker (Nisa)
2. Keep all your other accounts with IBKR - Interactive Brokers.
This would reduce the risk.
If your PR is revoked, IBKR can transfer your holdings to your domicile countries' IBKR accounts. Your NISA may be frozen and/or sold, but you could wait until that is worked out as you would have access to your other accounts.
1. Only using tax-advantaged accounts with a Japanese broker (Nisa)
2. Keep all your other accounts with IBKR - Interactive Brokers.
This would reduce the risk.
If your PR is revoked, IBKR can transfer your holdings to your domicile countries' IBKR accounts. Your NISA may be frozen and/or sold, but you could wait until that is worked out as you would have access to your other accounts.
Re: Investment option as non-resident
I stand corrected. I was confusing immigration status with tax status (again).Moneymatters wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 1:36 am @adamu the definition of non-resident is living or planning to live outside for over one year. Or, assigned to work or studying abroad without a defined end date. I don't think holding an address in Japan changes things.