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How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:43 am
by cflenders
I have searched around and found a few threads discussing the reporting of foreign dividends and interest in Japan, but I am still having trouble understanding the process of actually reporting on my Japanese taxes.

More info: Dividends and interest earned in USA accounts that will stay in the USA. I am a permanent resident. I have not yet filed my taxes in the USA.

Question:
What are the steps to reporting foreign dividends and interest on the Japan tax filing? Since I will be paying taxes on these dividends and interest in the USA but haven't done so yet, how do I calculate and input those amounts into the Japan tax filing?

Thanks!

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:32 am
by TokyoWart
I report my US dividends on the 分離課税用 form. The tax credit is automatically applied at 10% on the 外国税額控除に関する明細書 form regardless of how much tax you actually pay (at least that is my experience). I believe captainspoke has a detailed system for applying the exchange rate in effect on each day of dividend receipt but I only report the total dividends received using my US 1099 forms and the average exchange rate for the year and that seems to have worked out okay so far.

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:39 am
by captainspoke
cflenders wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:43 am ...
More info: Dividends and interest earned in USA accounts that will stay in the USA. I am a permanent resident. I have not yet filed my taxes in the USA.

Question:
What are the steps to reporting foreign dividends and interest on the Japan tax filing? Since I will be paying taxes on these dividends and interest in the USA but haven't done so yet, how do I calculate and input those amounts into the Japan tax filing?
For Japan, I count US taxes paid in the year that they are actually paid--not towards the tax year that they are due for. To my knowledge, this is perfectly okay with the tax office, just be consistent.

A somewhat similar question is dividends paid in early January that are marked as 'prior year'. I've asked the local tax office which tax year to count these in, and the reply was 'be consistent'. (so I count them in the year when they are paid, not the year they were paid for.)

An exception is taxes withheld at source (for non-US stocks, i.e., ADRs). For example, I held RDS/A for a while, and 15% was automatically withheld from each dividend payment. Since this was listed on my account statements right next to the balance of the dividend paid, I did claim this in the same tax year that that dividend was paid.

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As for this: "...captainspoke has a detailed system for applying the exchange rate in effect on each day of dividend receipt but I only report the total dividends received using my US 1099 forms and the average exchange rate for the year and that seems to have worked out okay so far."

I can only give my experience, and what I was told to do by the tax office. And this came out during an audit, when 3-4 guys from the international section of the tax office were telling me what I had done wrong... ;) So this was not a casual Q&A consultation where there might be some doubt about what a single tax person across the table was telling you.**

I had been lumping things together and using the IRS's average yen/dollar exchange rate for the year concerned. They were quite clear that it had to be done as tokyowart has described my 'system'--list each dividend payment, converted to yen on the date received, total at the bottom. They also referred me to this website to find the TTM rates: http://www.murc-kawasesouba.jp/fx/past_3month.php (scroll down and you can select any date back to 1990). EDIT: if that site doesn't provide a rate, due to a holiday, keep stepping back until you come to an active day and use that TTM rate.

I use a simple spreadsheet for this, and I'm used to doing it, so it's not much trouble. On the positive side, it's also nice to lay it out and see exactly what happened, vs. just looking at the total. It also helps to update this sheet a couple times thru the year, rather than leaving it all till January.


** I'm a meticulous records keeper, and pretty much expect to be audited again someday.

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:59 am
by TokyoWart
I can only give my experience, and what I was told to do by the tax office. And this came out during an audit, when 3-4 guys from the international section of the tax office were telling me what I had done wrong... ;) So this was not a casual Q&A consultation where there might be some doubt about what a single tax person across the table was telling you.**
Thanks for these details. To be clear, I don't want to imply any criticism of your approach. I think it's praiseworthy and that's why I mentioned it. :)

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 1:12 pm
by captainspoke
No problem. :D

There's a new reddit sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/JapanFinance/ Maybe I'll table this over there tomorrow or next day.

One thought I didn't add above is whether one or the other way of reporting divvies on the tax return may/may not have an effect on this.

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:49 am
by cflenders
Thank you for the replies. That is all very helpful. I have set up my spreadsheets now to be able to use the TTM rate for each dividend payment date. I also try to keep good records, so having this detailed history will make me comfortable.

I'm currently going through the online tax filing, and I am a bit stuck on the investment dividends and interest reporting. I completed the 外国税額控除等 and used 15% tax rates (expected capital gains tax rate in USA). Based on about 97,000 yen of foreign income, I have a foreign tax credit of 10,260 yen. This actually reduced the amount I owe in taxes, so it seems that this is only calculating the foreign tax credit but is not adding the income. Should I simply input the dividend and interest amounts in the 利子所得 and 配当所得 places? This is income from USA brokerage investments and USA bank interest.

Thanks again!

Re: How to report foreign investment dividends and interest

Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2021 8:52 am
by captainspoke
cflenders wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:49 am ... Should I simply input the dividend and interest amounts in the 利子所得 and 配当所得 places? This is income from USA brokerage investments and USA bank interest.
That sounds right, and I'd give you line numbers, but I've already put away my j-tax box...