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Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:09 am
by eagleyes
TokyoBoglehead wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:42 am
From a Japanese standpoint, I think waiting on IBKR is the smartest move, as this is their bread and butter.
Sorry if I missed the point, so IBKR will allow to hold an account wherever you are resident and you hold stocks in Japanese yen?
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:11 am
by TokyoBoglehead
eagleyes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:09 am
TokyoBoglehead wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:42 am
From a Japanese standpoint, I think waiting on IBKR is the smartest move, as this is their bread and butter.
Sorry if I missed the point, so IBKR will allow to hold an account wherever you are resident and you hold stocks in Japanese yen?
Where do you have citizenship? What are your local brokers policies on non-resident accounts? The most logical move would be to hold in an account where you can keep things permanently.
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IBKR operates in virtually every country. They can switch account statuses around depending on what is permitted in each jurisdiction, or transfers shares, etc.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:33 am
by goran
TokyoBoglehead wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:11 am
IBKR operates in virtually every country. They can switch account statuses around depending on what is permitted in each jurisdiction, or transfers shares, etc.
Piggybacking on this one; Is transferring assets from Rakuten to IBKR possible?
Even if it was, may be this might not be possible for our favorite emaxis slim series, right?
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:11 am
by beanhead
gnakarmi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:33 am
Even if it was, may be this might not be possible for our favorite emaxis slim series, right?
They don't sell it, so no.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:14 am
by TokyoBoglehead
beanhead wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 1:11 am
gnakarmi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 12:33 am
Even if it was, may be this might not be possible for our favorite emaxis slim series, right?
They don't sell it, so no.
No, as Gnakarmi said. Mutual funds are often domestic only. Their structure wouldn`t meet compliancy rules in other countries.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:00 pm
by aussieinjapan
I think in preparation for moving from Rakuten to IBKR or Monex (Aus), I will sell my emaxis slim funds (mostly all country, but have some others) and buy Maxis ETFs. There are other providers that might be slightly cheaper, but I guess I'm sold on their brand at this point
See
https://maxis.mukam.jp/ for a list.
Probably, the main one will be - 2559 MAXIS World Equity (MSCI ACWI) ETF (0.078% management fee)
https://maxis.mukam.jp/etf_fund/182559.html
Based on the great analysis over in this thread
viewtopic.php?t=1453, I'll be trading some performance and convenience for being able to transfer these ETFs internationally. Given the cost/hassle of trying to sell and transfer small amounts with Wise/my bank if I was to do this in cash in the future (not to mention being at the mercy of the exchange rate) I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:37 pm
by goran
aussieinjapan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:00 pm
I think in preparation for moving from Rakuten to IBKR or Monex (Aus), I will sell my emaxis slim funds (mostly all country, but have some others) and buy Maxis ETFs. There are other providers that might be slightly cheaper, but I guess I'm sold on their brand at this point
See
https://maxis.mukam.jp/ for a list.
Probably, the main one will be - 2559 MAXIS World Equity (MSCI ACWI) ETF (0.078% management fee)
https://maxis.mukam.jp/etf_fund/182559.html
Based on the great analysis over in this thread
viewtopic.php?t=1453, I'll be trading some performance and convenience for being able to transfer these ETFs internationally. Given the cost/hassle of trying to sell and transfer small amounts with Wise/my bank if I was to do this in cash in the future (not to mention being at the mercy of the exchange rate) I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff.
Again, apologies for another naive question:
Will this strategy of selling emaxis slim mutual funds and then purchasing similar ETF's incur "losses" in terms of taxes (when selling), as compared to holding the mutual funds forever? (IF holding emaxis slim forever was an option. I understand its not an option when moving out of Japan.)
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:20 am
by TokyoBoglehead
gnakarmi wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:37 pm
aussieinjapan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:00 pm
I think in preparation for moving from Rakuten to IBKR or Monex (Aus), I will sell my emaxis slim funds (mostly all country, but have some others) and buy Maxis ETFs. There are other providers that might be slightly cheaper, but I guess I'm sold on their brand at this point
See
https://maxis.mukam.jp/ for a list.
Probably, the main one will be - 2559 MAXIS World Equity (MSCI ACWI) ETF (0.078% management fee)
https://maxis.mukam.jp/etf_fund/182559.html
Based on the great analysis over in this thread
viewtopic.php?t=1453, I'll be trading some performance and convenience for being able to transfer these ETFs internationally. Given the cost/hassle of trying to sell and transfer small amounts with Wise/my bank if I was to do this in cash in the future (not to mention being at the mercy of the exchange rate) I think it's a worthwhile tradeoff.
Again, apologies for another naive question:
Will this strategy of selling emaxis slim mutual funds and then purchasing similar ETF's incur "losses" in terms of taxes (when selling), as compared to holding the mutual funds forever? (IF holding emaxis slim forever was an option. I understand its not an option when moving out of Japan.)
It is possible you might lose out on some price movement when you wait for the mutual fund sale to settle.
Of course you would 1. have to pay capital gains on any profit you have already made. 2. The ETF would distribute dividends not reinvest them, which would be a capital gain and taxable event.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:29 am
by eagleyes
aussieinjapan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 11:00 pm
I think in preparation for moving from Rakuten to IBKR or Monex (Aus), I will sell my emaxis slim funds (mostly all country, but have some others) and buy Maxis ETFs. There are other providers that might be slightly cheaper, but I guess I'm sold on their brand at this point
See
https://maxis.mukam.jp/ for a list.
That sounds great idea but perhaps before making the move check if these Maxis ETFs are available for trade in IBKR or Monex. Sometimes not all products are available depending on the trade platforms. I opened a free trial account with IBKR and this is what I am checking to validate my transfer strategy.
Re: Moving investments out of Japan
Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2022 6:07 am
by aussieinjapan
Thanks all for your advice! I have completed my transition from e-maxis slim mutual funds to ETFs on the TSE!
Here's what I did:
- I sold all of my mutual funds, over the course of about a week, a few weeks ago. I now have an entry in "realised profit/loss" for the first time.
- I bought a range of ETFs that I felt gave me a similar exposure over the last week or so totalling a similar amount to what I had originally in mutual funds.
- I noticed (via an app) that I should expect to receive more dividends than before. Many of these ETFs pay dividends, whereas the e-maxis slim funds would reinvest dividends automatically. The funds are likely more tax efficient, and don't require you to have enough to buy the minimum units. This is covered somewhere in another post. But this gives me (I hope) the freedom to move them to another broker later.
The ETFs I chose, in case you're interested are as follows. As you might expect, the majority is in 2559 (maxis all country).
1348 MAXISトピックスETF (TOPIX index)
1478 ISMSCI高配当ETF (high dividend paying Japanese stocks)
1660 MXS高利Jリート (Japanese REIT)
2511 NF外債ヘッジ無 (Foreign bonds, unhedged)
2515 NF外REITへ無 (Foreign REIT, unhedged)
2520 NF新興国株式ヘ無 (Developing economy stocks, unhedged)
2559 MXS全世界株式 (All country stocks)
2858 GX日経カバコ (Nikkei covered calls)