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Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:33 pm
by Bushiman
Kanto wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:06 am Does it automatically go into a "継続管理勘定" after 2023? Or do have to decide between that and withdrawal? Can you withdraw from a 継続管理勘定 early, or is that a different system?
What I understand from the financial services agency website is that you'll have the choice in 2024 to either cashout or "rollover" the contents of the JNISA to the "継続管理勘定" (continuous management account) where those investments can stay tax free till the child becomes 20. It says you can sell from this account, but not purchase -guess I've just answered my original question there... How you sell is unclear...

So, I guess that means I'll roll everything over to the 'continuous management account' for each child to keep the tax free conditions, then any additional purchases for the following 12yrs will go into a taxable account...

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm
by RetireJapan
I'm curious whether it will be possible to roll the balance over into another tax-exempt account (tsumitate NISA?) when the child reaches the age of 20. That would be very compelling indeed.

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:19 am
by fools_gold
RetireJapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm I'm curious whether it will be possible to roll the balance over into another tax-exempt account (tsumitate NISA?) when the child reaches the age of 20. That would be very compelling indeed.
According to the FSA it's only possible if your child hits 20 before Junior NISA ends in 2023. It would have been nice to roll it all over...

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:23 am
by Bushiman
RetireJapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm I'm curious whether it will be possible to roll the balance over into another tax-exempt account (tsumitate NISA?) when the child reaches the age of 20. That would be very compelling indeed.
For sure!
What are the other options though Ben? Are there any reasons to warrant selling after 2023 apart from the obvious like actually needing the cash before the child turns 20?

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:55 am
by Kanto
Bushiman wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:23 am
RetireJapan wrote: Tue Jan 12, 2021 11:48 pm I'm curious whether it will be possible to roll the balance over into another tax-exempt account (tsumitate NISA?) when the child reaches the age of 20. That would be very compelling indeed.
For sure!
What are the other options though Ben? Are there any reasons to warrant selling after 2023 apart from the obvious like actually needing the cash before the child turns 20?
Is the age not 18 now instead of 20?

Also, if you can sell penalty-free at any time there is no rush.

However, I currently have 160万 in a single mutual fund, I am hoping I can sell in Yen amounts as I please.

Should we treat these funds like retirement accounts and reduce the risk as the child approaches college age? Or as part of our total investment plan? Originally the J-NISA structure forced us to think of them as totally separate.

I remain unsure.

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:07 am
by bryanc
sorry to bring this thread up again but coming round to the idea of the j-nisa(i know rather late!)

just to ck-i can keep the money there tax free til child is 20-is that right?
my children are 19,17 and 13 so is it pointless to do for the older ones?
does it just get rolled into a taxed account when they reach 20?

thanks!

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:36 am
by Moneymatters
just to ck-i can keep the money there tax free til child is 20-is that right?
Yes. And cash out from 18.
does it just get rolled into a taxed account when they reach 20?
If you don't cash out they become NISA accounts consuming the NISA allocations. See below link.
my children are 19,17 and 13 so is it pointless to do for the older ones?
I started one for my son at age 15 so I could get 4 years invested for him. As an investment time horizon, 5 years is too short but I'm not planning to cash his accounts out to pay for his higher education (Assuming he even goes.). This is more something to help him get started off in life a bit later on. (Although. He doesn't know about the account and I have his Japan Post card. So if he continues to dissapoint this is going to buy me a sportscar. Not saying he's a poor student but I'm down to chosing interior trim!)

But I digress. As with all investments, decide when you need that investment realised and base decisions on that.

Currently you can open J-NISA until the year they are 19 on Jan 1st of.
日本にお住まいの0歳~19歳の方(口座を開設する年の1月1日現在)

And apparently, just to mix things up a bit, from 2023 you can open Adult NISA accounts from Age 18. (Assumedly this is following on from recently allowing them to vote for whichever octogenarian led policitcal party most appeals to them.)

成人年齢の引き下げ(20歳から18歳)により、2023年1月1日以後に開設される口座からは、1月1日時点で18歳である年に一般NISA口座が開設されます。

They can start the paperwork to open adult accounts from the preceeding November in preparation to start investing from January. (I've personally not managed to open any investment account in less than two months but my mum says I'm "special" so that's probably why..)
And I'm failry sure you can open that account even if you become 20(or 18 as soon may be the case) on Jan 2nd. For "reasons".

Loads of clear and accessible information on this page.
https://www.fsa.go.jp/policy/nisa2/abou ... index.html
:lol: Imagine how mad they'd get if they accidently presented something simple and logically.

Re: Changes to Child Taxable Accounts and J-NISA

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:21 pm
by beanhead
Moneymatters wrote: Fri Oct 01, 2021 8:36 am He doesn't know about the account and I have his Japan Post card. So if he continues to dissapoint this is going to buy me a sportscar. Not saying he's a poor student but I'm down to chosing interior trim!
Damn. I wish I had read this before telling mine about their accounts in a vain attempt to get them interested in investing.
I could do with an Audi TT to help me deal with a future mid-life crisis :lol: