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Total beginner needs some advice on investing while in Japan

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Hi everyone,

I would like to invest but I'm a complete beginner here. Because of that I think I would prefer to start investing on something like Vanguard's S&P 500 rather than individual stocks since I still don't have the proper knowledge for that (although I would like to invest on individual stocks in the future). I'm not a US citizen and I've been living in Japan for about 4 years. However, I don't see myself retiring here so if everything works out, I will most probably leave Japan 5 years from now.

I read that SBI, Rakuten and Monex offer NISA and iDeCo accounts. I know that iDeCo would not be good for me since I don't plan to retire here, however, NISA seems to only be until 2023?? I'm not sure if it would be wise to open a NISA account at the moment considering that.

I guess my questions would be:

1) Between SBI, Rakuten and Monex which one would be a better option? I think they all can access Vanguard S&P 500 but I'm not sure...
2) What type of account would be convenient for me?
3) If I could open an account, would it be a good time to do so considering the global pandemic?

I also heard a little of IB but I wonder if that would be better than a local account?

I would really appreciate some advice here ;)

EDIT: I´m not planning to move back to my country but hopefully I would be moving to Europe (I´m not a European citizen either).
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If you plan to move back to your country then you might want to investigate investing there directly.

For example, if you were Canadian you might want to investigate opening a TFSA/RRSP. If you are in the UK you might look at an ISA.

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If you cannot do that and want to invest in Japan for a short term NISA is still the best option. All dividends and capital gains are tax-free.

You can decide between Tsumitate or Regular Nisa
https://www.retirejapan.com/blog/tsumitate-nisa/

SBI and Rakuten are good choices. Check which products you want, and make sure they offer them in their NISAs. Also if you choose Tsumitate check to make sure they have the exact products you want.

Emaxis Funds are similar to Vanguard funds but may have lower fees in some instances.
Vanguard funds are also available.

https://www.rakuten-sec.co.jp/web/fund/ ... 90C000FHD2
https://www.rakuten-sec.co.jp/web/fund/ ... 90C000GKC6
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CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am Hi everyone
Welcome 🙂
CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am 1) Between SBI, Rakuten and Monex which one would be a better option? I think they all can access Vanguard S&P 500 but I'm not sure...
For non-iDeCo*, they're all about the same. Personally, I use SBI, but some people here have had trouble opening accounts with them recently because of problems registering their non-Japanese name. Although to be fair I'm not sure Rakuten is much better. Don't know about Monex. In the end, it doesn't really matter. Once you get the account running, they're all similar.
CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am 2) What type of account would be convenient for me?
NISA first, followed by standard taxable account (特定口座). You normally open a taxable account automatically as part of opening a NISA.
CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am 3) If I could open an account, would it be a good time to do so considering the global pandemic?
As soon as possible, once you have done some research about the fundamentals of investing, and have enough emergency cash savings. It's not possible to consistently time the market, prices can go up or down for completely unexpected reasons. What's more important is to have investments for as long as possible (to make sure you don't miss the price rices), and to have a diversified, balanced portfolio that represents your risk tolerance (to make sure you can tolerate price drops).

It's important to invest as soon as possible and not try to wait for the best timing. But it's also important to understand what you are doing. So I would say: Open an account (takes some time) now, do your research in the mean time, save up a cash buffer if you don't have one already, and once you have a plan, start investing.
CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am I also heard a little of IB but I wonder if that would be better than a local account?
I don't know about IB. A local NISA account allows you to take advantage of the tax benefits while you can. But you will need to close the account when you leave Japan. If that's in 5 years time, it could be risky because you will need to sell all your investments, then buy them back again in the new country. So looking into IB could be an option, but you don't get the NISA tax advantages.
Kanto wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:59 am if you were Canadian you might want to investigate opening a TFSA/RRSP. If you are in the UK you might look at an ISA.
I don't know about Canada, but non-residents are not allowed to contribute to a UK ISA. Also, although dividends are tax-free from the UK perspective, they are not from the Japanese perspective. So this isn't a good option, IMO.

*for iDeCo, I would recommend Monex, because they're the only one that offer what currently seems to be the best-value global index fund, eMAXIS Slim All Country, as part of the iDeco. Outside of iDeCo, this fund is available on all the providers. But you said you're not interested in iDeCo right now, so this footnote is for the benefit of others reading this.
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Kanto wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 7:59 am if you were Canadian you might want to investigate opening a TFSA/RRSP. If you are in the UK you might look at an ISA.


I don't know about Canada, but non-residents are not allowed to contribute to a UK ISA. Also, although dividends are tax-free from the UK perspective, they are not from the Japanese perspective. So this isn't a good option, IMO.
We do not know their residential status, or their tax status, or what their home country is. That`s why I suggest looking into it. It Canada for instance you can contribute, but you need to pay a separate tax.

However, seeing they have now edited their post saying the will be in Europe (not back home), it seems IB or the like would be a good choice for any holdings they want to keep long term. Nisa for anything short term? :)
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CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am I also heard a little of IB but I wonder if that would be better than a local account?
I wouldn't recommend IB if you can take advantage of tax incentives from iDeco/NISA. This should definitely your first priority. Transfer money to IB from a Japanese bank is a not straight forward, the interface is more made for experienced investors and reporting for the Japanese Income Tax declaration makes additional work.
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mule96 wrote: Mon Jul 06, 2020 2:32 am
CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am I also heard a little of IB but I wonder if that would be better than a local account?
I wouldn't recommend IB if you can take advantage of tax incentives from iDeco/NISA. This should definitely your first priority. Transfer money to IB from a Japanese bank is a not straight forward, the interface is more made for experienced investors and reporting for the Japanese Income Tax declaration makes additional work.
Would you still not recommend them considering I would be leaving in about 5 years? As someone mentioned above, when I leave I would need to close and sell everything from the Japanese account. I would only be able to benefit of tax incentives for the next 3 years and thats it considering the NISA is only until 2023. I do agree that my main concern why IB is doing my taxes based on those investments :|
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CircleInTheSand wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:05 am I also heard a little of IB but I wonder if that would be better than a local account?
I don't know about IB. A local NISA account allows you to take advantage of the tax benefits while you can. But you will need to close the account when you leave Japan. If that's in 5 years time, it could be risky because you will need to sell all your investments, then buy them back again in the new country. So looking into IB could be an option, but you don't get the NISA tax advantages.

thank you! I did not realize that after I leave I would have to sell my investments which is not ideal considering investments are meant long term...I am considering IB at the moment but doing the taxes on my own AND the 1,000,000 yen needed to start investing really puts me off...
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You might also want to explore options in your home country/the country you will be moving to. That might be a good solution.

You could also just save up the cash. There's a lot to be said for having a decent cash fund, especially when moving internationally.
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CircleInTheSand wrote: Tue Jul 07, 2020 7:28 am Would you still not recommend them considering I would be leaving in about 5 years? As someone mentioned above, when I leave I would need to close and sell everything from the Japanese account. I would only be able to benefit of tax incentives for the next 3 years and thats it considering the NISA is only until 2023. I do agree that my main concern why IB is doing my taxes based on those investments :|
If you buy only and dont sell, and you only have to report the dividends it is not complicated imo.
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