Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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Chizakura wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 2:26 pm When coming to Japan, tax is is paid on the previous year's income. So the tax for the first year is paid in the second year.

Does that mean that it only really makes sense to start with iDeCo in the first year? Or will starting in the first year reduce the tax that has to be paid in the second year?
For National Income Tax:
If you are a salaried employee:

If the employer pays your iDeCo Contributions directly out of Salary, then those iDeCo Contributions will not be subject to Withholding Tax, so will be paid out of Pre-Tax Income. You will not pay National Income Tax on those iDeCo Contribbutions

If you pay your iDeCo Contributions from your Bank Account, then the Income to pay those iDeCo Contributions will have been subject to Withholding Tax. You will be able to claim a Tax Refund for the National Income Tax paid on that Income in the year the Contributions were paid, either at the Year-End Adjustment - Nenmatsu Chousei, or by filing a Tax Return - Kakutei Shinkoku in the following March at the local office of the National Tax Authority.

Usually, the Year-End Adjustment - Nenmatsu Chousei is sufficient for most employee tax payers.

If you receive a Tax Refund, either in December Paycheck for the Year-End Adjustment - Nenmatsu Chousei, or in April for the Tax Return - Kakutei Shinkoku, then it would probably be a good idea to funnel those funds directly into NISA tax free ;-)

If you are not a salaried employee:
You will be able to claim the Tax Deduction against National Income Tax for your iDeCo Contributions paid in the previous year, along with other Social Insurance Contributions; National Pension, Health Insurance, and certain other types of Insurance, when filing your Tax Return - Kakutei Shinkoku in the following March at the local office of the National Tax Authority. You will not receive a refund, but you will not be charged Income Tax on those Contributions.

For Residents' Taxes:
When your National Income Taxes are filed, either through Year-End Adjustment - Nenmatsu Chousei, or by filing a Tax Return - Kakutei Shinkoku, the information will usually be passed through to the Prefectural and Municipal Tax Offices for your Residents' Tax Filing.
Residents' Taxes are calculated from that information, so the Tax Deduction is calculated and applied automatically, so the iDeCo and other Social Insurance Contributions are excluded for calculation of Residents' Taxes, which are then imposed from the following July.

In rare cases, it may be necessary to file a separate Resident's Tax Return at the local Municipal Tax Office, in which case you should also remember to claim the Tax Deduction against Residents' Taxes for your iDeCo Contributions paid in the previous year, along with other Social Insurance Contributions; National Pension, Health Insurance, and certain other types of Insurance.


Residents' Taxes Side Note:
If you are planning to leave Japan, you should remember that up to about 18 months of outstanding unpaid Residents' Taxes will be payable when you decide to leave Japan, and you should probably budget and squirrel away 10% of up to 18 months of your Gross Income to cover the Residents' Tax Bill when you decide to leave.
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This Guide to Japanese Taxes, English and Japanese Tai-Yaku 対訳, is now a little dated:

https://zaik.jp/books/472-4

The Publisher is not planning to publish an update for '23 Tax Season.
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Re: Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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Thanks guys, but I'm still a bit confused. So when moving to Japan e.g. next month (December), does it make sense in terms of tax benefits to start ideco from January next year - or will the benefits be bigger when starting one year later?

(ofc even with "lower" benefits in the first year, it might still make sense to start early, but that's a different question)

Also, one more question: pre tax income means that only tax will be reduced or is it also reducing premiums for pension and health care? (I'm an employee) Even the retire wiki doesn't really make this clear.
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Chizakura wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:57 am Thanks guys, but I'm still a bit confused. So when moving to Japan e.g. next month (December), does it make sense in terms of tax benefits to start ideco from January next year - or will the benefits be bigger when starting one year later?

(ofc even with "lower" benefits in the first year, it might still make sense to start early, but that's a different question)

Also, one more question: pre tax income means that only tax will be reduced or is it also reducing premiums for pension and health care? (I'm an employee) Even the retire wiki doesn't really make this clear.
For your second question, pension and healthcare premiums are separate. But both national income tax (at your marginal rate) and local residence tax (c.10%) will be reduced.

For the first question it would make sense to me to start IDECO asap next year if you will be starting work early next year as an employee. Whether you do IDECO through your company or not you will reap the benefits of contributions made next year against tax due next year. Can't see any reason to wait a year.
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Beaglehound wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 3:05 am
Chizakura wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2024 1:57 am Thanks guys, but I'm still a bit confused. So when moving to Japan e.g. next month (December), does it make sense in terms of tax benefits to start ideco from January next year - or will the benefits be bigger when starting one year later?

(ofc even with "lower" benefits in the first year, it might still make sense to start early, but that's a different question)

Also, one more question: pre tax income means that only tax will be reduced or is it also reducing premiums for pension and health care? (I'm an employee) Even the retire wiki doesn't really make this clear.
For your second question, pension and healthcare premiums are separate. But both national income tax (at your marginal rate) and local residence tax (c.10%) will be reduced.

For the first question it would make sense to me to start IDECO asap next year from a national income tax POV (assuming you are starting work early next year). But since no local tax will be assessed next year I guess you would not benefit from that.
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Re: Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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Got it, thx!
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Re: Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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Hi all,

I've applied to open a SBI securities account including iDeCo, a couple of month ago, at the same time I applied for a Rakuten Securities with NISA.
The idea was to diversify across providers, just in case.

Rakuten was super fast, all online, let me use the site while my NISA account was being registered and I'm already pretty used to the interface (thanks in large part to RJ's videos).
SBI, on the other hand, took more time, still doesn't allow me to access their interface and sent me a large amount of paper that neither me nor my Japanese wife understand what to do with.

So I'm wondering if I can go back on my decision and instead apply with Rakuten for iDeCo, abandoning the process with SBI, since I haven't sent their paperwork to my company yet. Hopefully, that would not be considered a provider migrations, which, as I understand, is not free and takes several months.

Anyone had to deal with this in the past?
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Re: Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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patatepartie wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 5:41 am Hi all,

I've applied to open a SBI securities account including iDeCo, a couple of month ago, at the same time I applied for a Rakuten Securities with NISA.
The idea was to diversify across providers, just in case.

Rakuten was super fast, all online, let me use the site while my NISA account was being registered and I'm already pretty used to the interface (thanks in large part to RJ's videos).
SBI, on the other hand, took more time, still doesn't allow me to access their interface and sent me a large amount of paper that neither me nor my Japanese wife understand what to do with.

So I'm wondering if I can go back on my decision and instead apply with Rakuten for iDeCo, abandoning the process with SBI, since I haven't sent their paperwork to my company yet. Hopefully, that would not be considered a provider migrations, which, as I understand, is not free and takes several months.

Anyone had to deal with this in the past?
To be fair this is not SBI's fault as iDeCo accounts are administered by a quasi-governmental organization called JIS&T. Technically your account is with them and each broker offers access via their main site (Rakuten) or a separate site (SBI, Monex).

Once you push through the paperwork and get everything set up iDeCo requires very little maintenance. Just a bit further!

My wife has her iDeCo with SBI and it's fine. Their fund lineup is slightly better than Rakuten's too ;)
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Re: Simple Q&A - iDeCo

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RetireJapan wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:54 am To be fair this is not SBI's fault as iDeCo accounts are administered by a quasi-governmental organization called JIS&T. Technically your account is with them and each broker offers access via their main site (Rakuten) or a separate site (SBI, Monex).
I don't think SBI uses JIS&T, they have their own DC system that they re-purposed for iDeCo: https://www.benefit401k.com/

It could be using JIS&T under the hood? But I've never seen anything that gives that away.

But anyway, yeah, everything iDeCo has to get approved via the 国民年金基金連合会 no matter the provider.
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