A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

Anything that doesn't fit in another forum
Moneymatters
Veteran
Posts: 473
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:20 am
Location: Tokyo

Re: A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

Post by Moneymatters »

zeroshiki wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:24 am EDIT:

Ok, I found this on NHK

今回の改正案には、永住許可を取り消す事由を追加することが盛り込まれています。

具体的には、税金や社会保険料の納付を故意に怠った場合や、在留カードを常時携帯するなどの義務に違反した場合、住居侵入や通貨偽造など刑法で拘禁刑を受けた場合に永住許可を取り消せるとしています。

It does say repeatedly not having your zairyu card. Not sure how they're gonna enforce this.
What’s the penalty if they can’t read the numbers clearly!?!
If it’s writing an apology in kanji I’m gonna naturalize..
— Funemployment commencing in Sept 2025 —
Deep Blue
Veteran
Posts: 680
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:43 am

Re: A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

Post by Deep Blue »

Tsumitate Wrestler wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:44 am
Deep Blue wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:29 am
RetireJapan wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:25 am It's not 'I'm alright so everything is fine'. More like 'I am not comfortable with how this is being set up and how unaccountable the system is going to be'.
Japan probably isn't the place for people who worry about these sort of things. The authorities already have powers to arrest and detain people without charge for months (re-arresting on the 23rd day and starting the clock again)... this can go on for several times before they charge you..... and after charging you can be held for months or years before trial. You can be denied access to intrepreters, and those accused are often beaten..... rights we would enjoy in Western countries are not applicable here. There is ample room for persecution of those who displease the authorities, especially if one has committed the crime of being non-Japanese.

We live here on the trust that these powers won't be used against us, same PR holders will need to trust they won't be thrown out of the country for a tax issue or forgetting their zairyu card.

Who can forget valid non-Japanese residents being shut out of Japan for six months, no matter what they did to their familes, jobs or businesses? Non-Japanese are second class residents here.
There is some hyperbole here, especially with the last bit. Japan would have excluded Japanese citizens from re-entering during that period, but the constitution wouldn't allow for it. Other democratic countries, like Australia, practiced the same sort of quarantine rules, and bared citizens from re-entering.

Concerns about immigration laws and concerns about a confession based, and not evidence based, justice system are separate maters in my opinion.

For procedural maters, such as non-payment of tax, Japan is extremely lenient compared to other democracies.
Lol ok. I’m sure Carlos Ghosn agrees with you about how lenient Japan is on non-payment of tax, and the thousands of non-Japanese denied entry to their homes for months in 2021 also feel they are treated as first class citizens.
Tsumitate Wrestler
Veteran
Posts: 633
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:06 pm

Re: A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

Post by Tsumitate Wrestler »

Deep Blue wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:36 am
Tsumitate Wrestler wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:44 am
Deep Blue wrote: Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:29 am

Japan probably isn't the place for people who worry about these sort of things. The authorities already have powers to arrest and detain people without charge for months (re-arresting on the 23rd day and starting the clock again)... this can go on for several times before they charge you..... and after charging you can be held for months or years before trial. You can be denied access to intrepreters, and those accused are often beaten..... rights we would enjoy in Western countries are not applicable here. There is ample room for persecution of those who displease the authorities, especially if one has committed the crime of being non-Japanese.

We live here on the trust that these powers won't be used against us, same PR holders will need to trust they won't be thrown out of the country for a tax issue or forgetting their zairyu card.

Who can forget valid non-Japanese residents being shut out of Japan for six months, no matter what they did to their familes, jobs or businesses? Non-Japanese are second class residents here.
There is some hyperbole here, especially with the last bit. Japan would have excluded Japanese citizens from re-entering during that period, but the constitution wouldn't allow for it. Other democratic countries, like Australia, practiced the same sort of quarantine rules, and bared citizens from re-entering.

Concerns about immigration laws and concerns about a confession based, and not evidence based, justice system are separate maters in my opinion.

For procedural maters, such as non-payment of tax, Japan is extremely lenient compared to other democracies.
Lol ok. I’m sure Carlos Ghosn agrees with you about how lenient Japan is on non-payment of tax, and the thousands of non-Japanese denied entry to their homes for months in 2021 also feel they are treated as first class citizens.
Ghosn committed securities fraud, among other things. It's not a simple matter of an unpaid taxbill. An investigation was clearly warranted, however his treatment was certainly questionable.

Two your second point, those in question were specifically not treated as citizens because they were not citizens, that's the entire point. The Constitution forbids Japanese citizens of being denied entry.
Deep Blue
Veteran
Posts: 680
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:43 am

Re: A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

Post by Deep Blue »

The allegations were about the way Nissan structured his compensation to minimize taxes owed and whether it needed to be disclosed by Nissan or not.

The man who orchestrated the putsch lives at the bottom of my road and it’s my view the whole affair reflects horrifically on Japan. The charges were all concocted to prevent Renault taking greater control of Nissan which had MILT wetting themselves in fear. I’d suggest reading up about it, this is a good place to start.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/Boundless-Rise ... 0063041030

Don’t displease the authorities here or they will crush you like a bug, no matter if you’re the most famous foreigner in Japan or not.
Post Reply