A friend lost her Zairyu card abroad

[Deep Blue]

Nope. I checked in at the desk at Haneda and at the machine at Heathrow. Neither asked. I am home now and still can’t find my zairyu card. I guess I lost it with my passport a few months ago. Really CBA to go and get a replacement though I know I should do soon.

[RetireJapan]

Nope. I checked in at the desk at Haneda and at the machine at Heathrow. Neither asked. I am home now and still can’t find my zairyu card. I guess I lost it with my passport a few months ago. Really CBA to go and get a replacement though I know I should do soon.

400,000 yen fine for not having it on you (on paper, no one has ever been fined for this to my knowledge) but also soon to be one of the behaviours we can lose PR for

[adamu]

soon to be one of the behaviours we can lose PR for

Is that true?

[RetireJapan]

On paper. Can't imagine it will be enforced, but technically the immigration office could revoke your PR if you are caught not carrying your zairyu card once the new laws go through.

[zeroshiki]

EDIT:

Ok, I found this on NHK

今回の改正案には、永住許可を取り消す事由を追加することが盛り込まれています。

具体的には、税金や社会保険料の納付を故意に怠った場合や、在留カードを常時携帯するなどの義務に違反した場合、住居侵入や通貨偽造など刑法で拘禁刑を受けた場合に永住許可を取り消せるとしています。

It does say repeatedly not having your zairyu card. Not sure how they're gonna enforce this.

[RetireJapan]

EDIT:

Ok, I found this on NHK

今回の改正案には、永住許可を取り消す事由を追加することが盛り込まれています。

具体的には、税金や社会保険料の納付を故意に怠った場合や、在留カードを常時携帯するなどの義務に違反した場合、住居侵入や通貨偽造など刑法で拘禁刑を受けた場合に永住許可を取り消せるとしています。

It does say repeatedly not having your zairyu card. Not sure how they're gonna enforce this.

aS lOng AS YoU doN't bREak thE laW YoU'Ll bE fiNe

[zeroshiki]

I still maintain that this is them targeting the Vietnamese trainees. The change is actually part of the package of getting rid of the trainee visa. They're not gonna target the 50 year old English teacher from Ohio.

[RetireJapan]

I still maintain that this is them targeting the Vietnamese trainees. The change is actually part of the package of getting rid of the trainee visa. They're not gonna target the 50 year old English teacher from Ohio.

I'm sure you're right. That's not the point for me.

It's not 'I'm alright so everything is fine'. More like 'I am not comfortable with how this is being set up and how unaccountable the system is going to be'.

[Deep Blue]

It's not 'I'm alright so everything is fine'. More like 'I am not comfortable with how this is being set up and how unaccountable the system is going to be'.

Japan probably isn't the place for people who worry about these sort of things. The authorities already have powers to arrest and detain people without charge for months (re-arresting on the 23rd day and starting the clock again)... this can go on for several times before they charge you..... and after charging you can be held for months or years before trial. You can be denied access to intrepreters, and those accused are often beaten..... rights we would enjoy in Western countries are not applicable here. There is ample room for persecution of those who displease the authorities, especially if one has committed the crime of being non-Japanese.

We live here on the trust that these powers won't be used against us, same PR holders will need to trust they won't be thrown out of the country for a tax issue or forgetting their zairyu card.

Who can forget valid non-Japanese residents being shut out of Japan for six months, no matter what they did to their familes, jobs or businesses? Non-Japanese are second class residents here.

[Tsumitate Wrestler]

It's not 'I'm alright so everything is fine'. More like 'I am not comfortable with how this is being set up and how unaccountable the system is going to be'.

Japan probably isn't the place for people who worry about these sort of things. The authorities already have powers to arrest and detain people without charge for months (re-arresting on the 23rd day and starting the clock again)... this can go on for several times before they charge you..... and after charging you can be held for months or years before trial. You can be denied access to intrepreters, and those accused are often beaten..... rights we would enjoy in Western countries are not applicable here. There is ample room for persecution of those who displease the authorities, especially if one has committed the crime of being non-Japanese.

We live here on the trust that these powers won't be used against us, same PR holders will need to trust they won't be thrown out of the country for a tax issue or forgetting their zairyu card.

Who can forget valid non-Japanese residents being shut out of Japan for six months, no matter what they did to their familes, jobs or businesses? Non-Japanese are second class residents here.

There is some hyperbole here, especially with the last bit. Japan would have excluded Japanese citizens from re-entering during that period, but the constitution wouldn't allow for it. Other democratic countries, like Australia, practiced the same sort of quarantine rules, and bared citizens from re-entering.

Concerns about immigration laws and concerns about a confession based, and not evidence based, justice system are separate maters in my opinion.

For procedural maters, such as non-payment of tax, Japan is extremely lenient compared to other democracies.