flying out of japan and returning..corona

[zeroshiki]

you may well be right!however end of the day still means that PR has been proven to be meaningless

I feel that this further shows for people who want to remain in Japan forever that residency isn't enough and we need to consider citizenship.

[RetireJapan]

I feel that this further shows for people who want to remain in Japan forever that residency isn't enough and we need to consider citizenship.

Yep. Been thinking about this for a long time, pretty sure it will happen for me at some point.

[Moneymatters]

I decided long ago I would not travel until there was no testing in place at any part of the journey(for the vaccinated). Seems like every month I have a friend or relative in the UK testing positive despite being vaccinated. I'd just be too worried about getting a positive test before returning.

Even if Japan eventually withdraws the test to return requirement, I can see it, and other measures, being activated each time a variant is discovered. They might have U-turned on the no new flights but they still stopped residents returning from 10 countries. (I'm not actually in disagreement with their goals but the implementation leaves a bit to be desired.)

So aside from not traveling personally, I’m refusing to take business trips whilst there is risk I’d become stranded away from my family for an extended period. Stuck in a hotel with just a mini-bar and and an expense account. And probably an infinity pool. And a buffet breakfast with an omelette station! My only non-work interactions being an occasional in-room masseuse and the turn down service. Entire weekends cast adrift to roam some exotic capital for food and entertainment.
No more for me, listening to the daily ebb and flow of my loving wife and almost adult children shouting entire conversations to each other from opposite sides of the house. No more, wading through every single one of their 26 winter coats strewn across the living room as they “couldn’t decide which to wear and might wear a different one tomorrow”.

hmm. Maybe I could rethink my travel policy..

(Ninja edit: typo).

[bryanc]

seems they have reversed course again!
crazy stuff..
how this affects foreign residents unclear...

https://worldnewstimes.com/japan-quickl ... d-flights/

[RetireJapan]

I decided long ago I would not travel until there was no testing in place at any part of the journey(for the vaccinated). Seems like every month I have a friend or relative in the UK testing positive despite being vaccinated. I'd just be too worried about getting a positive test before returning.

I'm not going to travel internationally until there are no quarantine/restrictions on either end. But I can't imagine them getting rid of testing before flights... for a long time.

[bryanc]

I feel that this further shows for people who want to remain in Japan forever that residency isn't enough and we need to consider citizenship.

Yep. Been thinking about this for a long time, pretty sure it will happen for me at some point.

certainly one way of looking at it-other way of looking it is not to take citizenship of a country that treats foreigners in this manner..certainly a thorny question..... anyway,apologies for my ignorance but i thought you (Ben) already had japanese citizenship?

[RetireJapan]

certainly one way of looking at it-other way of looking it is not to take citizenship of a country that treats foreigners in this manner..certainly a thorny question..... anyway,apologies for my ignorance but i thought you (Ben) already had japanese citizenship?

Nope! Been thinking about it for a long time.

But my main issues with Japan are legal/bureaucratic ones. Being a citizen would take care of almost all of them. I don't know of any instances where a naturalised Japanese national has been treated differently on the basis of their race/original background by the Japanese government.

Treating foreigners differently as a matter of policy is a result of their legal status, and naturalising solves that.

[bryanc]

i see-i thought from your name you had taken citizenship-apologies..

certainly one way of looking at it-other way of looking it is not to take citizenship of a country that treats foreigners in this manner..certainly a thorny question..... anyway,apologies for my ignorance but i thought you (Ben) already had japanese citizenship?

Treating foreigners differently as a matter of policy is a result of their legal status, and naturalising solves that.

other answer is for them to improve the policy...

[Moneymatters]

I decided long ago I would not travel until there was no testing in place at any part of the journey(for the vaccinated). Seems like every month I have a friend or relative in the UK testing positive despite being vaccinated. I'd just be too worried about getting a positive test before returning.

I'm not going to travel internationally until there are no quarantine/restrictions on either end. But I can't imagine them getting rid of testing before flights... for a long time.

I'm in no rush. After 20+ years of multiple international flights per year I'm really enjoying staying put. I may even try domestic tourism next year! As for the UK. It's just my mum now and she's ready to visit as soon as it's allowed. And she was quarantining with us for two weeks at a time long before covid!

[RetireJapan]

other answer is for them to improve the policy...

I try to be pragmatic. That is not going to happen, so I will focus on things I can control