Offshore vs Onshore Investment

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adamu wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:37 am
This is nonsense. Fees are around 0.1% for index funds.

It would actually be really cool to make a "get me out of this mess" calculator that simulates whether you'd be better off sticking with a bad plan and when the best timing to bail out would be to minimse losses. One for the todo list...
I think this guy already did that.
Daniel Alberts, Slingshot Money
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I have a pdf that he put together but I don't think I can attach it.
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beanhead wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:05 am I think this guy already did that.
Daniel Alberts, Slingshot Money
https://slingshotmoney.com/
Perhaps this is the PDF you mentioned: https://slingshotmoney.files.wordpress. ... -i-go1.pdf

It looks like a nice resource - what I mean is creating a tool that people can use, rather than needing to read a PDF and make their own spreadsheet. But perhaps the calculations have so many variables, it needs to be calculated individually. :-(
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It really depends on the sum of money being invested but the most important thing you should be worrying about isn't the penalties you'll have to pay, but the opportunity cost of not investing your money somewhere more lucrative.

In fact, I just did it for you using this calculator.
https://www.bankrate.com/calculators/re ... lator.aspx

The S&P500 has a return rate of 10-11%, so let's pick 10%.
Assuming you have 10m yen invested, just the compounded growth from that is amost 5m yen over the next 5 years.

Are you willing to give up 5m yen?
sp500return.png

Look, we're all anonymous here, it'll do you more good than harm to give us real numbers so we can tell you how much money you're potentially losing out on.
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Jansen wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:11 pm The S&P500 has a return rate of 10-11%, so let's pick 10%.
Don't disagree, but feel I should point out that this is the long-term return, it could very well tank horribly in the next five years instead. Important for OP to be aware of that too.
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adamu wrote: Wed Feb 17, 2021 10:17 am
Perhaps this is the PDF you mentioned: https://slingshotmoney.files.wordpress. ... -i-go1.pdf

It looks like a nice resource - what I mean is creating a tool that people can use, rather than needing to read a PDF and make their own spreadsheet. But perhaps the calculations have so many variables, it needs to be calculated individually. :-(
He also provides the spreadsheet if you email him. But agreed, a nice online tool would be very helpful.
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TokyoWart wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:46 pm Just wanted to give my take on what this actually means:
•it's tax-deferred
It depends on the country but in general money coming out of an insurance product (that "insurance wrapper" that was mentioned earlier) is taxed to you as income at the higher tax rates applicable to ordinary income rather than the lower fixed tax rates that apply to capital gains. It is one reason why for the "tax deferral" to make sense for these products compared to investing in a regular taxable account you often need to go out to very long holding times like 50+ years. The tax advantage of an insurance wrapper is there is no tax friction while holding it and the tax disadvantage is that coming it tax rates are worse than for investments (again, depending on the country where you are paying taxes).
I have one of the aforementioned offshore insurance products.
I checked with my company tax advisor regarding the capital gains due on a partial withdrawal.
I was told: The gain is taxable as 一時所得. If the gain is less than 500,000, no tax (but must be declared)
https://www.nta.go.jp/taxes/shiraberu/t ... u/1490.htm

This part of the tax code includes lump sum payments and also, horse racing wins.
The irony of the life insurance clause and gambling clause being together was not lost on me.
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We had a couple of these policies in my wife's name for over a decade. In the beginning, it was because we were new parents, didn't have a lot of savings, and Japan-based policies seemed weak.

In the end, one made money (perhaps 30% over 15 years), one lost money (10%). Ongoing fees were an issue. In the end, I cashed them out even though there was a penalty. Over the time period I made a much better return with my US-based index funds.

We did get a question from the tax office about the source of the funds. We answered 'life insurance" and they never asked us anything else. Probably dodged a small bullet...between the two policies the overall gains weren't that much.
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Pensions are a prime concern to foreigners in Japan.

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Are many of your clients overseas?

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For first-time investors, how should they go about contacting you?

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Is this business a seven-day-a-week job?

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Zotta: As an advisory company, we have to be flexible to our clients’ needs when it comes to scheduling. We strive for better work-life balance as we think this makes us more productive. Work is important, but so are family and friends. I think most clients think the same, and they usually prefer to meet during business hours as well.

For more information, visit www.argentumwealth.com or call 03-5549-9099.
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I assume they paid for that ;)
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RetireJapan wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 10:28 am I assume they paid for that ;)
The fact that comments are disabled on that article confirms it's a paid advert.
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